Mormon Opposition of Brigham Young

Brigham Young was the second Prophet of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.  Following the untimely death of Joseph Smith, Jun., there was a leadership vacuum which ultimately ended up in the formation of several churches all claiming rightful succession.  Brigham Young led the most prominent of those, and it is through his succession that the LDS Church has its link to the message of the Restoration proclaimed by Joseph Smith, Jun.

Despite his integral place in their history, it seems to me that modern Mormonism opposes Brigham Young in at least 4 major areas of doctrinal understanding:

1. The practice of polygamy being required for exaltation
• Young said, “The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy. Others attain unto a glory and may even be permitted to come into the presence of the Father and the Son; but they cannot reign as kings in glory, because they had blessings offered unto them, and they refused to accept them.” JoD 11/41
• Modern Mormonism says, “The Bible and the Book of Mormon teach that the marriage of one man to one woman is God’s standard, except at specific periods when He has declared otherwise.”
2. Blood Atonement
• Young said, “It is true that the blood of the Son of God was shed for sins through the fall and those committed by men, yet men can commit sins which it can never remit.. ..they must be atoned for by the blood of the man.” JoD 4/10
• Modern Mormonism says, “[Jesus’] Atonement is infinite—without an end. It was also infinite in that all humankind would be saved from never-ending death. It was infinite in terms of His immense suffering. It was infinite in time, putting an end to the preceding prototype of animal sacrifice. It was infinite in scope—it was to be done once for all. And the mercy of the Atonement extends not only to an infinite number of people, but also to an infinite number of worlds created by Him.”
3. Race and the Priesthood
• Young said, “How long is that race to endure the dreadful curse that is upon them? That curse will remain upon them, and they never can hold the Priesthood or share in it until all the other descendants of Adam have received the promises and enjoyed the blessings of the Priesthood and the keys thereof. Until the last ones of the residue of Adam's children are brought up to that favorable position, the children of Cain cannot receive the first ordinances of the Priesthood. They were the first that were cursed, and they will be the last from whom the curse will be removed. When the residue of the family of Adam come up and receive their blessings, then the curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will receive blessings in like proportion.” JoD 7/45
• Modern Mormonism, (blatantly throwing Young under the proverbial bus throughout the article), says, “Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse”
4. The Adam/ God doctrine         
• Young said, “When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken—He is our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do.” JoD 1/8
• Modern Mormonism says, “We warn you against the dissemination of doctrines which are not according to the scriptures and which are alleged to have been taught by some of the General Authorities of past generations. Such, for instance, is the Adam-God theory. We denounce that theory and hope that everyone will be cautioned against this and other kinds of false doctrine.” 

This leads me to ask 2 main questions:

1. How much false teaching does it take before one is simply deemed a false prophet? It is difficult to find a discourse given by Brigham Young that does not address at least one of these issues. How bad does it have to get before he is completely disavowed? If it were someone else and not Brigham Young, would the standard be different?
2. If the Mormon Church continues to separate themselves from Brigham Young’s teachings, doesn’t that call into question the legitimacy of his (already very controversial) succession to Joseph Smith? If not, why not? To question the legitimacy of Brigham Young is to question the legitimacy of the LDS Church as a whole - so why is the modern incarnation of Mormonism doing all the questioning?  It seems to me that they are sawing off the branch that they’re standing on.  Without Young, there is no LDS Church.

Please take a moment to pray for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.  Thank you.  

The Temple Veil

“Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.  And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent” Matthew 27:50-51

At the crucifixion of Jesus, at the very moment of his death, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom.

What was the significance of this event?

What was the purpose of the veil?

The tabernacle that was erected in Moses’ day, and the temple built by King Solomon were built according to the exact directions that God had given.  The dimensions, the colours, the materials, the layout, everything had been prescribed by God. 

Among these specifications was the make and function of the temple veil.  The veil was around 4 inches thick and somewhere around 60 feet high.  It marked a physical separation between the Holy place, and the Most Holy place.  Beyond the veil, above the Ark of the Covenant, the Presence of God rested in a cloud of Glory.  God’s Presence was tangibly with his people.

But, it was inaccessible.  One man, the high priest, once a year entered into the Most Holy Place in order to offer “the blood of atonement” for the people of Israel. 

The veil was a barrier between man and God.  A barrier that could only be overcome with the blood of atonement. 

When the blood of Jesus was shed at the cross, at the moment that he gave up his life for us, the veil in the temple was supernaturally torn in two.  The separation between man and God had been overcome by the atoning blood of Christ, and God’s Presence became accessible. 

It would be hard to overstate the significance of this event.  The rending of the veil meant that the whole sacrificial system, the whole of the Law, had been fulfilled!  It meant that man, any man – not just the high priest – could enter the Presence of God based on the atoning power of the blood of the perfect sacrificial Lamb, Jesus Christ.  It meant that man's sin, his unworthiness, no longer separated him from God's Presence.  We could now enter God's Presence not because we are perfect, or holy, or righteous, or worthy; but because Jesus is, and for some reason that we can't fully understand, he loves us and has chosen to unite himself to us.  His righteousness is our righteousness.  His worthiness is our worthiness.  

What does this have to do with Mormonism?

The LDS Church has Temples in which they perform their ordinances which are required for exaltation to the Celestial Kingdom, (where God dwells).  The Temple in Mormonism is just as much a symbol of God’s Presence as the Jerusalem Temple was to the Jews.  The Temple is where God’s Presence dwells on earth.

 

The problem is that in order to even get to the Temple, you have to prove yourself ‘worthy’.  If you follow all of the rules, (tithing, Word of Wisdom, etc.), you can earn yourself a Temple recommend – which you will be asked to see upon entering the Temple.  You cannot enter the Temple if you are ‘unworthy’.

Once you have gotten to the Temple, you are required to perform ordinances which, if completed successfully, will earn you the right to pass ‘through the veil’ and into the ‘Celestial room’, the holiest place in the Temple – the place, presumably, where God’s Presence dwells on earth. 

Wait...  what?!?

That’s right.  The veil that Jesus ripped in half with his death has been sewn back together.  Rather than leaning upon the atoning blood of Christ that cleanses us from all sin and makes us worthy because He is worthy; Mormons have to rely upon their obedience, their righteousness, their worthiness in order to enter God’s Presence. 

The whole point of Christ’s coming was because we can’t prove ourselves worthy!  We are sinners in need of a Saviour!  If you are relying upon your own righteousness instead of Christ's righteousness, you have rejected his offer of salvation.  

Please take a moment to pray for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.  

What Could Have Been...

Joseph Smith once relayed a message that he had received from an angelic visitation that declared, “that my name should be had for good and evil among all nations, kindreds, and tongues, or that it should be both good and evil spoken of among all people” (Joseph Smith - History 1:33)

While we probably have a long way to go before all nations, kindreds, and tongues will have mentioned Joseph Smith in either a positive or negative light; it seems that this prophecy carries some weight.  Certainly wherever Joesph Smith’s name has been proclaimed, the truth of that phrase has been evident.  Some receive his message, and others abhor it. 

The reason I bring that prophecy up is because of its accuracy.  Whether it was used responsibly or not, I do believe that Joseph Smith was given a gift to see and hear the supernatural.  I believe that he had a genuine call from the Lord towards prophetic ministry, and even to build a prophetic movement. 

He lived in a day where the gift of prophecy did genuinely need to be restored to Jesus’ Church.  He was very gifted, very charismatic, and an incredibly strong leader; and I honor the gifts that the Lord placed in him at an early age. 

So...  why don't I follow his teachings??  I'd like to try to explain just one of the reasons:

In 1 Corinthians 12:27-28, the Holy Spirit through Paul says, “Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.  And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues."

I believe there’s a reason that Paul says first apostles.  To understand why the apostolic is placed at the head, we must understand the nature of apostolic ministry.  We generally view those in these positions as overseers.  As a priest or pastor looks over a single congregation, an apostolic figure would look over many congregations.  But what, then, is their primary task?

Athanasius once referred to “the actual original tradition, teaching and faith of the Catholic church, [catholic meaning all-encompassing] which the Lord bestowed, the apostles proclaimed and the fathers safeguarded.”  I believe this hits upon the role of apostolic ministry.  The original Apostles of the Lord had a special anointing to proclaim the message that Jesus had bestowed upon them.  Their successors, the ones who would carry apostolic authority in their stead, 'safeguarded' that same message.  That was and is their primary role.  To preserve,and to carefully pass on the same message that Jesus bestowed and the Apostles proclaimed. 

The reason apostles come first in Paul’s list is because it is the apostolic figures that are responsible for ensuring that the message of the gospel remains pure.  All other ministries are to be submitted to that authority.  Within that structure, the prophets and apostles have a unique relationship.  They walk together in a special way.  The prophets hear what God is saying now, and the apostolic authorities measure that against what God has always said.  The prophet asks “What is God revealing today?”  The apostolic figure asks “How does what God is revealing today line up with what God has already revealed?”

What that all boils down to is the basic truth that God cannot contradict himself. 

Paul gives this kind of order to the ministries of the Church as a safeguard.  The message of the gospel must remain pure.  First apostles, second prophets.

So what?

Joseph Smith began his public ministry with a battle cry.  He claimed that all of the churches were corrupt and that all of their creeds were an abomination!  (Joseph Smith History 1:19).  The Mormon Church is founded upon this revelation.  This revelation that contains within it an attempt to reverse, or to overthrow the model of Church order that was put in place by the Apostle Paul.  

Smith elevated prophecy above apostolic authority.  In Mormonism, what God is speaking now is considered more important than what God has spoken in the past.

The creeds of the Christian faith were not just made up on a whim.  The creeds came about primarily in response to heresy.  As Jesus warned us, false teachers began to come into the Church.  In response to that, the apostolic leaders of the day – the men responsible for 'safeguarding' the message of the gospel – got together, to speak, debate and work on a statement of faith that could help explain to the common man what the essential beliefs of our faith are.  The creeds are a ‘safeguard’.  Not everybody had access to the Scriptures, or could even read; but if they knew the creeds, then the message of the gospel could stay pure.

So, about 318 of the apostolic leaders of the fourth century got together to fight against a heresy that originated with a man named Arius.  The result of that work is the Nicene Creed.  Joseph Smith, the prophet, spent some time in prayer alone and received a revelation that all the creeds are an abomination to God. 

Now, suppose for the sake of argument that he heard right?  What if that was true?  Remembering Paul’s words, 'first apostles, and second prophets', what should be done?  How do you handle a revelation like that responsibly?

• Well, first of all, he should probably seek further revelation on what it is that actually makes the churches corrupt.  What is it exactly that makes the creeds an abomination?  Where do they depart from the gospel message proclaimed by Jesus and the original Apostles?  A lot of very intelligent and God fearing men gave up a good portion of their lives to combat heresy and compose these creeds.  They did so in good faith, and they did so in reverence for Christ and for the Scriptures.  I’m not suggesting that that is reason enough to stay with them, but if we’re going to depart from them, then we need to understand why.
• Secondly, what are the points that are unmoving?  If the creeds are wrong, then what’s right?  Is Scripture reliable?  Because the Creeds are based on Scriptural truths, and it was basically the same group of men that canonized Scripture as composed the creeds, (just a few generations apart).  If Scripture is not reliable, and the Creeds aren’t reliable, and the Church is not reliable, then what’s left?  Is there any solid ground that we can stand on?  What are our foundations?  What do we know about God that is true, and what is the source of that revelation?  Is that source reliable? 

I could be wrong, but that, I believe, would be the beginning of an apostolic response to the revelation.  And already you can see that it has begun to fall apart.  There’s nothing really left. 

I’ve asked many Mormons those questions, (Why are the creeds corrupt?  Where exactly do they depart from the gospel that Jesus proclaimed?), and I’ve never received a straight answer back...  And I get the impression that it doesn’t even matter to them...  Because what God is speaking now is more important and more valid than what God has spoken in the past.

Do you see the dangers in that?

If what God is saying now is not interpreted in the light of all that God has already revealed, then there is no absolute truth.  Everything is variable.  If even God's Word is changing, then what can possibly be relied upon?  We have no sure foundations.  There is nothing left.  In the words of Mormon chapter 9, God becomes a god who doth vary, and in whom there is shadow of changing.  And this is not the God of miracles, this is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and this is not the God of creation.  Mormon 9:9-11 – A god who changes is no God at all. 

This reversing in order of holding what God is saying today to be more valid than what God has always said has trickled down from the leader that originated it, to be at the very forefront of Mormonism, and the greatest thing that continues to advance it. 

Before someone becomes Mormon, they are asked to pray.  Pray and ask God if the Book of Mormon is true and Joseph Smith was really a prophet.  In response to your prayer, you are assured that you will receive a confirmation by the Spirit, (this promise is found in Moroni 10:3-5).  Once received, your entire faith is built around this testimony.  “I know it’s true because the Spirit himself told me”, “I know it’s true because I felt it”.  That’s powerful stuff!!!  

Is the experience valid?  Sure it is!  Something spiritual is happening.  Should the experience have more weight than the things which God has already revealed?  No!  God does not contradict himself.  If you have a spiritual experience that testifies to the validity of a prophet, and yet the tests of Scripture confirm that the prophet is false – Scripture wins.  Every time.  If Scripture does not carry more weight than your experience, then every truth is subject to change.  You've lost all sense of foundation.  There is no absolute truth.  If the message of the gospel is to be safeguarded in this generation, then our prophetic experiences must be submitted to apostolic authority.

I began by speaking about the genuine prophetic gift of Joseph Smith.  When I think about his life and the impact that he had on the world, I can’t help but think that this is maybe one of the greatest tragedies in all of Christian history.  What if Joseph Smith had submitted his prophetic gifting to true apostolic authority?  How would that have affected the Christian world?  A restoration of the gift of prophecy to Jesus’ Church, and a restoration of proper order – a healthy relationship between apostolic and prophetic ministries.  The humility of Christ exemplified in a prophet that could say to an apostolic authority, “This is what I’m hearing from the Lord today; could you help me interpret it in the light of all that God has already revealed to us?”

Imagine if Joseph Smith had asked those kinds of questions.  Where would we be now?  How much more united would Jesus' Church be?  How much healthier?  How much closer to Jesus' return?

Mormons, grieve the loss of Joseph Smith at his martyrdom in Carthage.  As a Christian, I grieve the loss of Joseph Smith in the grove.  

Please take a moment to pray for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.  Thank you.

A TOTAL Apostasy???

LDS Apostle Dallin H. Oaks once delivered a speech titled, “Have you been saved?”  In his speech were heard phrases like, “Good Christian people” and “servant of the Lord” in reference to believers in the Christian faith.  While this is consistent with the image that the Mormon Church is now attempting to project, it is absolutely not true to the actual message of Mormonism.  The teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints openly deny the possibility of any form of legitimate faith outside of the Mormon Church.  A few examples:

• “he that confesseth not that Jesus has come in the flesh and sent Joseph Smith with the fulness of the Gospel to this generation, is not of God, but is antichrist.”  (Brigham Young - Journal of Discourses, volume 9, discourse 64)
• "those to whom these commandments were given, might have power to lay the foundation of this church, [The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints] and to bring it forth out of obscurity and out of darkness, the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased,"  (D&C 1:30)  
• "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation?  It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270)
• "There is no salvation outside the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon Doctrine, p.670)

So, how do Mormons actually feel about Christianity?  Well, practically most Mormons would probably agree with Dallin H. Oaks’ speech - ‘Christians’ are good people serving the same Lord, they just don’t have the whole gospel.  But if confronted, they would also have to agree with the words of Joseph Smith and the other early Church leaders (as quoted above).  You can see how that would create some confusion...

 

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints teaches that there was a TOTAL apostasy in the Church shortly after the ascension of Christ.  This apostasy took place around the same time as the death of the original 12 Apostles.  John was the last to die, and he died somewhere between 96 – 100 AD.  So, the Mormon Church’s claim is that by the year 100 AD, there were no genuine Christians left on earth. 

On a personal note...

In some ways, I can really sympathize with that view.  Certain Christian churches that I have attended, especially in my growing up years, seemed to have a great distrust for anything ‘Catholic’.  (Even though the Roman Catholic Church was not established until the end of the 4^th century).  I put very little effort into studying history, because I thought that Church History was corrupt.  My view was one that would say: after Acts 28, the Church almost completely collapsed until the advent of Martin Luther, and then the great Methodist revivals, and finally the Azusa street revivals – and now we’re just about back to where we should be.  There are even churches and ministries that call themselves “Acts 29” ministries.  While I am confident that I would not have any major contentions with such ministries; the name implies that there was very little good between Acts 28 and now – but don’t worry, we’ve got it all figured out, and we’ll take it from here.

Hmmm...

What does that view of Church history say about God?  About the success (or failure) of Jesus’ mission?  His model of discipleship?  What does it say about the promises of Christ – ‘I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it’, and ‘I am with you always, even to the end of the age’?  It seems arrogant to claim that through hundreds of years of Church history, nobody has gotten it right until now; even if that were true, is there not a more humble – a more Christ-like – approach?

And so, I began (and am still ‘beginning’) to study the history of the Early Church.  I didn’t feel like I could continue to reject all that had happened between Acts 28 and the present without at least investigating it.  If I’m going to accuse anyone of being ‘apostate’ – I should probably understand why I believe that; because that’s a pretty serious accusation to be throwing around. 

A lot of what I had believed, and indirectly been taught to believe simply is not true.  Yes, there has been much apostasy over the years.  There have been innumerable accounts of abuses of authority.  Heresy has crept in to the Church seemingly in almost every corner.  But there is also a lot of good.  There are treasures that God has given and preserved in his Church through the ages.  Countless numbers of people gave their lives to ‘safeguard’ the message of the gospel.  And, just like in the Old Testament with the people of Israel – God has always kept a remnant for himself.  No matter how apostate the nation of Israel was, there was always a remnant of people that were faithful to the Lord.  It is the same with his Church – the people of God in the new covenant.  True to his promise, He has never left us, nor forsaken us.   

What now?

I am not ignorant to the fact that this kind of information has potential to be a bit jarring to the system.  Researching these things has certainly been an eye opening experience for me; and a journey that has required me to lay down any prejudices or pre-conceived notions that I had in order to look at things in as unbiased a way as possible.  Even in that, I must always remember my humanity – I am as prone to error as anyone, and it could be that my conclusions are still in need of correction or revision.

And so, I leave you with an invitation to join in this journey, and with a question that requires a bit of humility to consider.  Before you accuse someone of apostasy – the most serious charge imaginable – would you be willing to first take the time to understand what it is that makes them apostate?  Where exactly have they departed from the saving gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ?  Would you be willing to study for yourself and discover what actually took place in the years following the original 12 Apostles? 

Please take a moment to pray for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.  Thank you.

THE JOSEPH SMITH TRANSLATION

We believe the Bible to be the Word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the Word of God. 

This is a common statement to hear from Mormons.  "as far as it is translated correctly?"  Hmmm, that seems to imply that it has not typically been translated correctly, yes?  

How about a little context:

In Doctrine & Covenants 73:4, God, speaking to Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon, says, “it is expedient to continue the work of translation until it be finished.”  The work of translation being referred to here is the translation of the Bible.  According to the Book of Mormon, many “plain and precious” things have been taken away from Holy Scripture (more on that another time perhaps).  So Joseph Smith was commanded by God to translate it.  To restore all that had been lost. 

According to D&C 104:58, he was also commanded to “print my words, the fullness of my scriptures, the revelations which I have given unto you...”  (i.e. - the work was to be made available to the Saints.) 

There is a wonderful promise given in 1 Nephi 3:7 that seems to apply to just these types of situations, which says, “for I know that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them.”  That’s a solid principle right there.  God commands – God enables. I think all of Christendom could agree on that one.  

And it seems that he did come through, at least for the command to translate; (the printing of it is another matter).  History of the Church volume 1, page 306, under the date of July 2, 1833, has a letter signed by Joseph Smith and others which says, “We this day finished the translating of the Scriptures, for which we returned gratitude to our Heavenly Father.” 

So... according to the Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, and the History of the Church, the work of translation was most definitely completed.

Seems simple.    So, WHAT IS MY POINT???

Well, after all that, you would expect that the official translation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints would be the Joseph Smith Translation, (also known as the Inspired Version).  But it’s not.  I believe the official stance of the Mormon Church is that Joseph Smith was killed before the translation was completed.  That, as we have seen is a blatant contradiction of Mormon Scriptures and documented history.  If that were true, then the next Prophet in line should have picked up where he left off.   After all, God felt that this work was important enough to command it to be done in the first place, so unless God changed his mind, surely it was important enough for him to have prepared a way for it to be accomplished, as he promised – with or without Joseph Smith. 

Instead, Mormons use the King James Version of the Bible, and they publish a version with footnotes which lead to excerpts from the Inspired Version, buried somewhere near the back of the text.  This version only has excerpts; it does not contain the full translation. 

That bothers me.  It also bothers me that it doesn't seem to bother Mormons.  I'm very bothered...

Joseph Smith, the Prophet of the restoration, on command of the Lord, translated Holy Scripture; and most Mormons do not even have access to the majority of it, or even know that it exists beyond the few excerpts in the footnotes.

Regardless of whether or not I believe Joseph Smith’s translation to be accurate, I think that the Saints of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints are entitled to have access to what they would consider a correct translation of Holy Scripture. 

They should, in fact be granted more than just access to it.  The Inspired Version of the Bible being anything less than the official translation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints implies that it can’t be trusted as Holy Scripture; which casts serious doubt on whether or not the leaders of the Church, particularly the early Church, really consider Smith to have been a Prophet. 

WE BELIEVE THE INSPIRED VERSION OF THE BIBLE AND THE BOOK OF MORMON TO BE THE WORD OF GOD.

That should be the statement. 

I mean, there’s no need to use an inferior version when you’ve got one that you know you can count on, right? 

Please take a moment to pray for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.  Thank you.

Are Mormons Christian?

Do you know that Mormons are classified as Christians?  This is one of the questions that Mormon missionaries will ask of a potential convert. 

As a Christian, that question grates on me.  For a few reasons.  But rather than getting into that, I guess it’s worth thinking about.  Is there any possibility that Mormons actually are Christian?

First of all, I guess the question should be answered – what is a Christian?  By definition the word Christian means "Christ-like".  In that sense of the word; it seems Mormons are actually more Christian than Christians...  hmm that sounds confusing...  I will from here on out use “orthodox Christianity” to provide some clarification.  Mormons have potential to be more Christ-like than orthodox Christians.  Now, before I get excommunicated, let me explain...

Mormon doctrine around the person of Jesus Christ is vastly different from that of orthodox Christianity.  Mormonism teaches a belief in “Eternal Father”, who was once a man like us.   They believe that Jesus Christ was the first born of His spirit children.  Lucifer is also one of His spirit children.  And each one of us is also a spirit child of Eternal Father.  We existed in spirit before the creation of the world, in coming to this earth, we were given a ‘tabernacle’ of flesh for our spirit to dwell in; and if we are fortunate enough to belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, our bodies will be resurrected at the consummation of this age.  At that point we will have advanced to the Celestial Kingdom; and now have the potential to actually become Gods ourselves, with spirit children of our own, and worlds at our command.

The orthodox Christian view of Christ is that he is the only Son of God.  We are all children of God, in that He is our Creator, and Lord, and His Spirit actually lives in us.  We have been brought into the family of God.  But Jesus is God’s Son in an exclusive sense.  He has a unique relationship with God the Father.  Jesus and the Father are one.  They are of the same substance, the same essence.  Jesus was begotten of the Father, not made by the Father like the rest of us.  In orthodox Christianity, Jesus is the second person of the triune Godhead, and as such he is altogether different from those of us who are among the created.

So you can see that according to Mormon doctrine, the only difference between us and Christ, is that he happened to be born first.  The difference between your average Mormon and Christ is not one of kind, it is one of degree.  So, by definition ("Christ-like"), Mormons could be considered more Christian than orthodox Christians. 

But you can also see that the beliefs around Christ between Mormonism and orthodox Christianity are irreconcilable.   It is not possible for the same person, (even if that person is God), to adequately fulfill the qualifications of both Mormonism and orthodox Christianity.  Therefore, it follows that Mormons and Christians cannot possibly believe in the same Christ.  

So... I guess I can concede that Mormons are indeed Christian, as long as it is understood that the Christ they are 'like' is a different Christ than the One found in orthodox Christianity.

Claiming that Mormons are Christian without that qualifier seems a little bit like talking to someone in Brazil about football without telling them that what you really mean is American football.

Please take a moment to pray for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.  Thank you.